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newsmakers Sunday with foxtons john hook

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guys you're wondering what the

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background is we are gonna make a

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complete departure today we are going to

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talk about things from out-of-this-world

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UFOs and since it's early in the morning

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it's a great time to get off on a

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subject that many people they're a

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little ticklish talking about it frankly

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but 36% of Americans 80 million believe

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UFOs exist and 1/10 believe they have

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spotted one this is from a National

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Geographic poll 17% said they did not

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believe in UFOs or unidentified flying

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objects and nearly half of those

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surveyed said they were unsure put me in

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that category I don't know what to

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believe

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don't know if we've been visited but

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we're gonna talk about it with two guys

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who were here for this massive UFO

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convention going on a week opaw up in

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Scottsdale

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Jeremy is a Korbel yep Jeremy Korbel is

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an investigative filmmaker he's on the

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right of your screen

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Ryan Sprague is a UFO journalist thanks

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for joining us thank you

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usually when you do a news program and

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we have politicians on we have guys on

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all the time do are the journalists

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skeptical or fairly open-minded about

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this subject well you're a journalist

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that's a great question um I think as a

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journalist it is your job to remain

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open-minded about the topic you're

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covering especially when it comes to

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UFOs there's such a broad spectrum of

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phenomenon that seems to be happening

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and I think by remaining open that's

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when the journalists can really get to

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the core of the phenomenon and the

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people they're dealing with Jeremy let

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me ask you there it seems that this is

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broken down into out of a hundred

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percent of sightings and UFOs are only

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unidentified flying objects that's all

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we don't know what they are it doesn't

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hang there space aliens they're just we

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don't know what it is it seems that when

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you break it down the research I've done

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90% can be explained and then you're

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left with 10% that can't really be

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explained very well and that's where

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that's where the rub is right you make a

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really good point your your intro this

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is not about belief it's either true or

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it's not true if one sighting in the

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millions of sightings from credible

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Americans people that have walked on the

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moon like dr. Edgar Mitchell right

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astronauts if even one of these

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sightings is real and it is in fact a

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craft of origin from somewhere other

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than Earth just one out of the millions

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then we have a real phenomena

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something's actually going on but it's

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not a matter of belief it's either true

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or it's not true it can be an

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extraordinary belief until there's

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evidence and so that's a investigative

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filmmaker that's what I try to do is

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talk with people on the inside let me go

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through and this this stunned me okay I

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just want to run down this list of

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believers okay Richard Nixon Jimmy

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Carter Ronald Reagan Mikhail Gorbachev

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professor Stephen Hawking Hawking now

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one of the theoretical physicists one of

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the brightest guys in in the in the

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known world believes in UFOs and

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extraterrestrials and in an interview

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said of course it's possible that UFOs

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really do contain aliens and are part of

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interpolant interplanetary craft of some

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sort and my colleagues are confident

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that they do not originate in our solar

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system so you've got a lot of guys out

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there credible people who are believers

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yeah we had a huge panel it's called the

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Citizen hearing and one of my business

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partners Reuben Lange then we

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essentially documented the whole thing

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and it was you know 40 different

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witnesses

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you know from everywhere from astronauts

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to pilots so people are coming forward

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and people are saying and finally

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without ridicule saying I believe but

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again I stand to the point it's not a

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matter of belief it's an extraordinary

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religion it's correct it's true or it's

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not true and so the idea is if it is

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true what does that mean and to what

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degree is it okay let me go let me go

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through the through the list here Ryan

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let's start with you what is the best

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proof that we have to date that we've

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been visited that we've been visited yes

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that is a great question you can look at

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Experion Experion sirs such as Travis

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Walton right here in Arizona here in

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one of the best documented cases of all

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time he says he was abducted he says he

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northern Arizona yes he's been put under

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polygraph tests the other witnesses who

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saw this with him saw him literally be

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shot with a beam by a craft of unknown

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origin we're put under polygraph tests

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and they all passed with flying colors

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what's the best you got Jeremy yeah the

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best evidence that I have because man

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I'm looking for it too you know I want

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the smoking gun either way I mean that's

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like I have made so this is what we deal

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with I need proof right yeah I've made

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some wild films you know I made a film

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called patient 17 about a man who had an

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alleged implant that we removed

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physically and I actually followed the

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whole process never thought I would do

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something like that that didn't prove it

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to me fully but I think what gives me

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the greatest sense of proof for myself

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to really my imagination has been

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weaponized and as a young child it had

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been I am so curious I want to know so

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the best proof that I have is

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essentially people of high credibility

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in positions to know have told me

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directly off camera and on camera that

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yes it is true there other there are

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intelligent life you know out there that

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they are visiting our planet and

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engaging humanity now I personally have

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no experience with that but wait because

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of becomes heavy evidence becomes heavy

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over time I don't have the luxury of

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disbelief but what I do have is a camera

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which is a passport into these stories

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and they'll tell you the story yes they

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you know quick quick aside on Travis

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Walton I was doing a story back in 94 on

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winter sports up up on the muggy on rim

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and a guy gave us a ride on a snowmobile

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who had taken Travis Walton out to the

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area where he had been abducted he took

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him out with a film crew and here's what

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he told me he said I don't know whether

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Travis Walton was abducted or not he

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goes but let me tell you something

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Travis Walton believes he was abducted

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he get said I can tell you that for

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certain because as we got closer to

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where he was abducted he started

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freaking out and actually demanded at

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one point that they stop and turn around

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and he got so agitated people passed

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polygraph tests on the people aren't

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lying there's millions and millions of

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Americans that are seeing things in the

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sky that defy all known physics and

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that's the important and interesting I

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mean we had it happen here the Phoenix

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lights by the way in a recent interview

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he was one of the people who saw this

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told me I pressed him on it he said look

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and he you know he's a Navy aviator

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right he flew planes for the Navy he

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said all I know is what I saw and it was

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not of this world he saw it up by

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Peak do you guys have a theory as to

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what was going on and has a government

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explained this I I honestly don't think

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the government knows what they're

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dealing with

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we hear all the time about government

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cover-ups and black ops projects but the

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simplest way to deny that it happened is

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to to deny that it happened but

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thousands of people saw the Phoenix oh

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there's no doubts I still get emails

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from them okay let me let me play

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devil's advocate for a minute if we were

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in the development of the b-1 bomber

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right when that was developed if that

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was being flown over a metro area people

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would have said oh my god what is that

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thing it's not like an airplane right is

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it possible what we're seeing our craft

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that we're building some of what we're

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seeing are craft that we're building but

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the problem you have with that argument

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is that these sightings go back

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throughout history you know oh I've

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heard some from the 1600s

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oh absolutely for anything was flying

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discs cylindrical shaped craft I mean

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that the the the entire experience that

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people are having where they're seeing

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these things it's been going on since

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the beginning of recorded human history

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so that theory just doesn't hold water

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because eventually you and by the way I

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mean part of what I do is I interview

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you know government witnesses so I can

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tell you matter of fact that some parts

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of the government are just as confused

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as we are about the whole are they

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scared is the government frightened of

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this that's that's a personal question I

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mean a fear is a personal human thing it

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just is one person scared because they

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are you know extremely religious

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compared to another person that is just

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purely scientific but I do believe doubt

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the doubt if there is another

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intelligent civilization contacting us

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a problem that's a problem for anybody

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right because if they're not telling us

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that because they're able to travel from

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insane with impunity throughout our

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skies that is a problem for any nation

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so it's a serious issue

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does anybody talk about whether this and

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this is really getting out there that

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something from outside I mean way

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outside would be the catalyst that could

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bring the nations on earth that are

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always in conflict together Ronald

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bunch of his speeches at the UN the

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threat from an extraterrestrial presence

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would instantaneously unite humanity so

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presidents have been talking about this

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UN said those exact words so that's

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that's something that people think about

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quite a bit if we were to have this

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disclosure of an et presence the

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implications are just astounding okay

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again socially everything if we've been

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visited because we know kind of the

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makeup of at least within our boy what

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will we say our universe are we know

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that this this has to be something

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coming from way way beyond any kind of

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propulsion that that we know of that

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could get you there and keep people

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UFO Congress one of the big highlights

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of the Congress is an individual named

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Bob Lazar I have followed the case for

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many years because my mentors George

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new he's a television news reporter he

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body award-winning journalist he's

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amazing so basically I've been able to

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see it from a very unique perspective

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Bob is coming in to talk to this

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conference he claims that he back

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engineered extraterrestrial technologies

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propulsion systems advanced propulsion

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systems that essentially warp space-time

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they essentially amplify gravity waves

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in order to travel the most incredible

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idea and you know what I just got to say

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on the record

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after looking at this as an

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investigative journalist I believe Bob

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and he's gonna be there to talk with

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everybody after 25 years of radio

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silence when you when you okay yeah he's

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been silent on the issue because he

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didn't want to be hassled by people

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correct the private guy okay let me ask

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you this when you say reverse engineered

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did they have a piece of a craft yeah

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they were trying to back down that is

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exactly as story yeah and a number of

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people I've talked with who have been on

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the inside have also explained that to

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the tea so there have been recoveries of

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crap we not only allegedly have

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recoveries but we also have craft that

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may not even be damaged

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what about aliens you know the story

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about Nessun taking jackie gleason to

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homestead Air Force passing aliens but

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it may have been a hoax but we don't

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know look he may have been pulling a

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prank on let's not jump ahead cart

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before the horse if there are

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intelligent beings that created you know

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craft that are visiting earth because

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that's the I think the big news let's

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say over the next 20 years it is that

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true

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are we being visited are they drones or

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do they have the intelligences that made

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them riding in them and you know I want

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to know too if this is true are there

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extraterrestrials visiting and that

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would be you guys find out will you love

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me know tweet it to the world this would

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all right you may think I've lost my

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mind but I'm having a ball with these

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guys this is Jeremy Korbel on the right

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he's an investigative filmmaker Ryan

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Sprague is a UFO journalist and as you

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can tell by the backdrop we are we are

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just exploring what if here I started

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the show by saying that 36% of Americans

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80 million people believe that UFOs

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exist a tenth believe they've spotted

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one this is according to a National

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Geographic poll do you guys think that

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public sentiment is changing on this

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issue that people have maybe gone from

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Oh hogwash nonsense to you know what I

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don't know is that happening yeah I can

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see it happening every day especially

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within the mass media it's just it's

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astounding how much it's changed and

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what is that is why is that I think as

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we draw closer scientifically I mean

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we're discovering all these exoplanets

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we're discovering we're sending NASA

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sends an unmanned you know craft to

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Europa these are opening up the

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possibilities of life elsewhere whether

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it be biological I have a theory as well

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yeah I think as we get smarter we start

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to understand how much we don't know

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yes and I think that's playing into it

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yeah and I think you know my personal

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opinion on it is that when I started

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talking to people about this when I was

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like 13 years old so you know I don't

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know how many years ago over two decades

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ago people would almost laugh when you

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said extraterrestrials probably exist

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the worldview has changed now we know

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all these exoplanets trillions of star

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systems with habitable planets so the

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whole paradigm has shifted what's the

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next thing and now you're going to be

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induct you you're exactly you're gonna

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be ahead ten years right now what would

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the big deal be what is the biggest lie

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well if these things are real are they

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coming here so that's the question if we

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can kind of narrow in the discussion to

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that now rather than extra shows don't

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exist okay well we just have the one

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planet out of trillions and billions of

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billions that has life on it well then

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the question about UFOs okay maybe the

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question should be do you believe

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there's life out there that's a whole

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different thing you probably have a lot

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more people who believe well I'm just

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saying that's the simple one that

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we should all be far beyond you know

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people have we should be just the

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science of it the sheer numbers we

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should be on that question the question

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we should be asking is okay there

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probably is life everywhere microbial

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and intelligent are they visiting here

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and if so what are the implications what

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has anybody come up with a theory if we

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have been visited okay I again I I don't

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believe we have but I'm keeping an open

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mind about it if we've been visited why

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have they not presented themselves in a

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more dramatic way and said look we come

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from Planet X here we are

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does anybody explain this yeah I mean

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there have been tons in tons of cases of

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these supposed beings who may not think

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we're ready we may be on some sort of

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timetable of theirs we have to sort of

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look at it as if they are coming from

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vast distances and they are this ahead

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of us

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you know technologically and perhaps

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intelligently that maybe we haven't

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reached that potential to handle it yet

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yeah yeah I can we have enough issues to

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worry about on this plan okay this is

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the last thing on a lot of people's

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minds where it's one of the first on

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ours I get a drone chime in here on this

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so one of my dear friends growing up is

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rod Roddenberry Gene Roddenberry's the

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son of Gene Roddenberry so I interviewed

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him for this conference and I have a

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piece that I'm gonna be playing at the

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conference where he's weighing and for

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the first time on the extra-terrestrial

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issue I mean which is weird you figured

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he'd way and sooner but essentially they

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talk about things like the the prime

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directive the idea of non-interference

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and this is he kind of talked to me

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about this he says I don't know if it's

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just microbial life or intelligent life

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he says my preference is intelligent

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life he says but let's say they are here

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let's say they are visiting maybe there

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is a prime director maybe there's a

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non-interference clause where they want

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us to evolve as human beings before you

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know before real content right but but

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there has been contact that's the thing

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that you and I don't get because we

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haven't seen anything but people

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millions of people have had what they

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call content what is interesting about

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that I got to take a break is how

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similar a lot of these accounts

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our oh my gosh there's a similarity with

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all of these different people who say

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they've seen something yeah what they've

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seen a lot of times lines up it's not

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the multiple witnesses multiple angles

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air radar ground radar air visual

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back on newsmakers Sunday final moments

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with Jeremy Korbel an investigative

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filmmaker on the right of your screen

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he's on the right here in Ryan Sprague a

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UFO journalist final moments what would

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you like people to take away and I know

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we've got the conference going on and

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people you're saying if people want to

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just drop by do it I mean what I

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personally want people to take away is I

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again I want your imagination to be

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weaponized this is not a marketing ploy

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this is not that's a lack of imagination

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there is a true and real phenomena that

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is occurring with a cursory glance you

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will become interested I guarantee just

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look into it personally I my films are

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seen that extraordinary beliefs calm you

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can see all this ordinary beliefs calm

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correct and that's where you can see all

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my films on the subject matter that take

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a real hardcore documentary approach to

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figuring out if any of these stories are

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true

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okay and that's what I have to say right

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what do you guys I mean just to

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piggyback off that we have over 3,000

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people who have already attended we're

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expecting another 2,000 or so over the

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weekend and people come from all over

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the world to this conference and it's

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because we have astrobiologists nuclear

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physicists speaking at the event telling

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us this is a real phenomenon next I mean

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next to questions about God in religion

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this is this is probably right there all

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right this is the this is the

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existential question of are we alone

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yeah and people out there I'm sure

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believe we are not alone it's gonna be

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easier to prove the existence of other

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intelligent life it'll be easier to

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prove that than the existence of God to

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be a mass public I think that it's

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either true or it's not true and

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hopefully one day soon we'll find out

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how much is the government our

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government working on trying to make

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contact it's a really startling out

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stuff out to the universe right we are

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very from the very

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we shoot up our you know messages all

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the time I mean it's like yeah but there

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that's a there's a much deeper story to

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that and maybe we will have to talk

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about that later how worried is we've

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got 30 seconds how worried is for

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instance the United States about this

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issue that this is a threat that we

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could not handle I think that's a great

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question we have people like John

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Podesta who was currently come forward

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about he regretting that he was not able

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to get the UFO information out to the

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public when he was working for Clinton

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and Obama did you see that tweet yeah he

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this tweet his biggest number one regret

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John that yeah was that he didn't

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get disclosure so the government is

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worried of course but the main thing is